From:
"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"

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8/30/2019 1:39:30 PM

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"William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: Detransitioner Amici brief for SCOTUS

Will,
It aggravates me to no end that Wordpress deleted my Transgender Archive because I think it would have been helpful
for your project to be able to browse the details of the many suicides articles I had collected. What I came to see
was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for activism. A lot
of the kids committed suicide even if they were well supported and not bullied.
I managed to gather a few of the links to give you a window into this. I still have the XML file for the site that
could be uploaded into a new private Wordpress blog if necessary.
To start, you said: "In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated with
hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves."
Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally supported
because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want and what they think will help
them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
Sam Harel Price:
(Pretty unrealistic to make this huge kid think they're going to become a female)
https://villagegreennj.com/towns/suicide-popular-chs-grad-sam-price-sparks-transgender-youth-foundation/
Carl Worth:
"In the December 8 speech, Carl told classmates: 'Firstly, I'm dealing with depression. I want to be completely
honest here and say that is has led to self harm in the past and has escalated to suicidal thoughts and actions."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196578/Transgender-senior-18-kills-coming-out.html
Skylar Lee:
"In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home and
at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion over my identity only
escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian,
genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th grade, I discovered I was transgender."

http://ourlivesmadison.com/article/motivated-empowered/
Miriam Roe:
"Miriam was born female and began to identify as male in 11th grade in high school. At that time, they asked to be
called Eli and began the transition process to male. Eli was very supported in this by their family, friends, and at
the State College High School. This past fall, Miriam began to understand their gender identity as more gender fluid
than transgender and had recently begun asking people to call them Miriam again."
"Even as they suffered “bouts of crippling depression,” according to the obituary,"
https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/3/08/family-and-friends-mourn-penn-state-trans-woman-lost-suicide
Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze:
"Maisie Knowles, age 16, aka Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze, made the decision to give up the struggle of
living this life. We are deeply saddened that his struggle with mental illness got the better of him. Faced with
bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity and just being a teenager, Charles
had an incredibly difficult "hand to play."
https://obituaries.centralmaine.com/obituaries/mainetoday-centralmaine/obituary.aspx?n=maisie-knowlescharlie&pid=182417101&fhid=11597
"It's the fourth such suicide in San Diego County since March."
https://web.archive.org/web/20151014211644/https://www.10news.com/news/family-mourns-transgender-teen-after-hetakes-his-own-life-100615
Another thing possibly worth exploring is what I talked about in a follow-up piece with the Daily Signal.
"Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you
don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing that the transition
itself can make you suicidal."
"Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the
gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody that you’re the opposite sex?
My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
"I’ll give you an example. Once I diagnosed myself as being a female, and people affirmed me as a female, OK, so I’m
looking at myself and I’m going, “Oh my God, I’m in a male body.” And you set out on this crash course to turn
yourself into a female. And it’s impossible."
"In the military we call that setting yourself up for failure. Like I said, it’s literally impossible to change your
sex and you’ll die trying."
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/15/i-perfectly-understand-why-this-kills-people-former-transgender-jamie-shupedetails-how-process-affected-him/
That's my thoughts for you for now, if I think of more stuff I'll forward the links.

Blessings,
James

On Friday, August 30, 2019, 01:35:05 PM EDT, William Malone wrote:

Dear James and Walt,
I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide
stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated
with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes
parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I would be most appreciative of any written
materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from
Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
Thanks both.
Regards,
Will

William J. Malone, MD
Endocrinologist
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 9:43 AM, VBroyles wrote:
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Very proud of you Jamie — and Walt!
Vernadette
Vernadette Broyles, Esq.
President and General Counsel
Child & Parental Rights Campaign, Inc.
5805 State Bridge Rd, Suite G310
Johns Creek GA 30097
Phone: 770-448-4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org

> On Aug 24, 2019, at 12:42 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
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> All,
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> With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit
an amicus.
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> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
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> Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.
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> James
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> On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:02:55 PM EDT, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hola, Team SD.
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> I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici

for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not that hard to
disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not
SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications involving this, as he is job hunting
right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not
appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the page count, citations run up through
page 18.
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> Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post,
several bloggers already posted, other cool stuff, etc.
> https://cmda.org/reinforcing-childrens-sexual-identity-a-review-of-ellie-klipps-i-dont-have-to-choose/
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> Andre
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