From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM To: Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24 Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances. They have raised 2 other good questions: 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority? 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this? I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment. Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles. Representative Young On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote: Gee Whiz! Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc. Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cisgender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science. Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are nonbinary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!†Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now! Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never! I feel better. BH On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail .com> wrote: Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisg enderidentifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based. My other suggestion with the quote is to add nonbinary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves. Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart @gmail.com> wrote: This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this. On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Juliann e Young <julian nehyoun g@gmail .com> wrote: A f t e r v i s i t i n g w i t h S t e p h e n S m i t h l a s t n i g h t I h a v e d e t e r m i n e d t h a t t h e b e s t w a y t o c o u n t e r t h e a r g u m e n t s r a i s e d i n t h e l a w s u i t i s t h e i n s e r t s o m e a d d i t i o n a l l a n g u a g e i n t o o u r l e g i s l a t i v e i n t e n t , r a t h e r t h a n a d d r e s s i n g a n o t h e r s e c t i o n o f c o d e . M y a d d i t i o n s a r e h i g h l i g h t e d b e l o w . Y o u r f e e d b a c k i s s i n c e r e l y a p p r e c i a t e d . 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I f y o u a r e n o t t h e i n t e n d e d r e c i p i e n t , n o t i f y u s i m m e d i a t e l y b y r e p l y i n g t o t h i s m e s s a g e a n d d e l e t i n g i t f r o m y o u r c o m p u t e r , b e c a u s e a n y d i s t r i b u t i o n o f t h i s m e s s a g e b y y o u i s s t r i c t l y p r o h i b i t e d . E m a i l c a n n o t b e g u a r a n t e e d s e c u r e o r e r r o r f r e e . W e d o n o t a c c e p t r e s p o n s i b i l i t y f o r e r r o r s t h a t r e s u l t f r o m e m a i l t r a n s m i s s i o n s . O p i n i o n s e x p r e s s e d i n t h i s e m a i l a r e s o l e l y t h o s e o f t h e a u t h o r a n d d o n o t n e c e s s a r i l y r e p r e s e n t t h o s e o f t h e o r g a n i z a t i o n . -- www.KelseyCoal ition.org Patrick W. Lappert, MD 8263 Madison Blvd. Suite E Madison, AL 35758