From: Julianne Young
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Sent: Tuesday, February 4,
2020 9:40 PM
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To: Bernard Hudson
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Subject: Re: Idaho Vital
Statistics Integrity Act short window for comments
- by Friday, January 24
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Based on the feedback I will
not include the quote from
SEGM in the bill, amending
(v) on page 2, line 46-47 to
simply state that the
erasure of biological sex
negatively impacts the
health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other
evidence can be introduced
in the hearing, rather than
being included in the bill.
Also, I got some feedback
from our vital statistics
department today which I
have incorporated in the
process piece of the bill
(sections 4 and 5) and they
suggested using 'material
fact' rather than vital
statistics in most
instances.
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1) In section 5, do we not
want a medical authority to
certify to the final
designation of sex? If so,
do we want to limit this to a
particular type of medical
authority?
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2) The draft you have
reviewed is silent on what
happens if they do not
resolve the indeterminate
status within the stipulated
3 years (section 5). We
included this to prevent
certificates from being left in
an unresolved status.
However, kicking it to the
courts after this time could
become problematic. What
are the recommendations to
resolve this?
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I am attaching the current
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comment.
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Thank you for your help in
ironing out these final
wrinkles.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>
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> Humans are the only living
species of Homo Sapiens.
Given that fact, we are male
and female, there is no
other. We are mammals,
giving birth, carrying a XX or
an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre
abnormality results in a
state of disease:
Turner’s Syndrome,
Klinefelter’s Syndrome,
etc.
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> Everybody is transgender,
no one is transsexual, cisgender is true for everyone!
Try not to use the
nomenclature of nonscience.
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> Non-binary?!?!?
Disneyland comes to
science. You are nonbinary, then what? A
worm? A worker bee? A
penguin in a European
zoo? An ant? “I am
Zero!â€​
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> Listen: Talk to me! Be
real! Stop! No, no, you
meant to say that you are
claiming something that
does not exist except in
your mind? Got it? Your
mind? Take a look, please.
See? Right! You are a
male or female so stop with

the rigamarole and talk to
me now!
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phrases that have have
shifting definitions, political
realms, identity's
unscientific, and whims and
notions that are NEVER
studied in science. Never!
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> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44
AM, Kelsey Coalition
<kelseycoalition@gmail.co
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>> Looks great! My only
concern is with the quote
from SEGM. Will, would you
consider this? First, the
reference"cisgenderidentifying individuals." I
believe there is way to make
this point, without using a
word like "cis" which
indirectly endorses the
ideology upon which
transgender identities are
based.
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with the quote is to add nonbinary. Even though
transgender has become an
umbrella term covering both,
some nonbinary individuals
do not say they are
transgender. Many forms
offer both categories for
people to check when they
identify themselves.
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>> Will, could SEGM
consider rewording this -something like "not only
transgender individuals, but
ALL persons" as well as
add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
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>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at
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<natasha.chart@gmail.com
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>>> This is great, I love it.
Thank you for doing this.
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>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020,
9:43 AM Julianne Young
<juliannehyoung@gmail.co
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>>>> After visiting with
Stephen Smith last night I
have determined that the
best way to counter the
arguments raised in the lawsuit is the insert some
additional language into our
legislative intent, rather than
addressing another section
of code. My additions are
highlighted below. Your
feedback is sincerely
appreciated.
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>>>> The legislature finds
a compelling interest in
maintaining accurate,
quantitative, biology-based
statistics on Idaho
certificates of birth which
provide vital statistics
fundamental to the
performance of government
functions that secure the
public health and safety,

including, but not limited to,
identifying public health
trends, assessing risks,
conducting criminal
investigations, and helping
individuals determine their
biological lineage,
citizenship, or susceptibility
to genetic disorders; and,
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>>>> The equality clause
prohibits purposeful
discrimination and not
facially neutral laws of
general applicability such as
a biology-based definition of
sex which has been
consistently applied since
our nation's founding.
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opinion have upheld the
argument that the biological
distinctions between male
and female justify separate
but equal treatment under
the law and a defined
category of sex which relies
on biological fact is the only
category which can be
demonstrated to have
obvious, immutable, and
distinguishable
characteristics.
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erasure of biological sex
significantly impacts the
rights of others and would
constitute manifest injustice
in undermining the
implementation of many
policies which have been
advanced to secure the
privacy and interests of
individuals specific to their
biological sex.
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biological sex negatively
impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. For
example, the Society for
Evidence-Based Gender

Medicine has declared that
“the conflation of sex
and gender in healthcare is
alarming and is poised to
subject hundreds of
thousands of transgender
and cisgender-identifying
individuals to unintended
medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and
being subjected to incorrect
treatments. It will also
greatly impede scientific
research, not only in the
area of transgender
treatments, which sorely
lacks quality long-term
outcome evidence, but also
in other areas of medical
research.â€​
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statisticsâ€​ is defined in
Idaho Code Section 39241(21) as “data,â€​
(being the plural of
“datumâ€​) which is a
known fact; and,
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birth are of an evidentiary
character and prima facie
evidence of the facts recited
therein (Code Section 39274); and,
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the names of natural
parents whose rights have
been terminated, are legally
applicable facts fundamental
to the performance of public
and private policies and
contracts.
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maintain accurate,
quantitative vital statistics
and legal definitions upon
which government and
others may with confidence
rely constitutes a breach of
the public trust; and
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compelling interest in
maintaining the public trust
and confidence and a duty
to fulfill, to the best of its
ability, those functions
which rely on accurate vital
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legislature directs that an
Idaho certificate of birth
documents specific
quantitative, material facts
at the time of birth: time of
birth, date of birth, place of
birth and biological sex.
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at 10:34 AM Richard Mast
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Smith, an Idaho allied
attorney, and Idaho
Representative Julianne
Young. They have been
working on a birth certificate

protection bill, to reverse a
recent court decision
striking down sex-based
birth certificates in Idaho.
This will restore the status
quo, making Idaho one of
four states that require birth
certificates to reflect sex,
along with Kansas, Ohio,
and Tennessee.
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ADF factual findings for the
recitals and some edits. I
have accepted his changes;
made a few suggested edits
of my own, and thus open it
up to you all for any input for
Julianne and Steve.
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