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Subject: Re: Objections to bill- other thoughtss

Then, of course, you may know of Karl Bowmen?
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:59 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
With Dr. Money coining gender identity in 1966 and transvestite Virginia Prince coining transgender in 1969,
the hard to define "class of people" is younger than me, and a lot of others in this conversation, something
courts should be taking note of.

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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:42 PM, Andre Van Mol
<95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
What’s odd about the military “class of people” argument per ACLU, etc., is that the military reserves the
right to exclude whomever it deems unfit for service. There is no right to serve in the military. They
exclude the overweight, sleep walkers (somnambulism), bed wetters (enuresis), and so forth. Those are far
more defined classes/conditions than is the self-defined transgenderism (as not all TGs are gender
dysphoric).
Andre
On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:39 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of
people," and that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender
dysphoria ban with trans military service.
Hopefully, the lawyers will chime in on this, but my view is the bill is targeting a medical
condition, of which there's no fixed consensus about what the origin is, whether it's strictly
mental, etc. The ADA law states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of
folks because a medical condition.

James

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On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:21 AM, Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Here are my thoughts on those items, Fred:
1. Suicide rates go up
Kids who are suicidal need competent mental health care, not sterilization.
The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a
30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left people at a 19X
higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm.
Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that
puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy
[I'll leave this to the econ people]
3. Interferes with doctor-patient relationship
Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a
right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the
risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as
sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctorpatient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.
4. Interferes with parental rights
The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is
relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality evidence in the
2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895
states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to
prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have
received incomplete information on a poorly researched subject.
5. Parents must give consent – therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor

The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the
best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the
harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk,
osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of physicians who have performed the surgeries or
given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and
only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It is not the job
of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the
duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the
doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
6. PB are reversible
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal development
can never be regained.
A key period of bone strengthening is affected putting the child at risk for adult osteoporosis.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because they have
not been studied.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm.
Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
Also a key time of growing together and interacting with peers and reaching important psychosocial
milestones is lost forever.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time
lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a bunch of
students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained?
Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important
sixth grade experiences with peers ever be the same?
7. Bill is unconstitutional
[Will leave to attorneys and legislators]
-Mike

On 2020-01-27 03:55, patrick Lappert wrote:
I think one has to be prepared to dismantle the validity of the WPATH guidelines:
-Where WPATH came from
-How the guidelines were crafted
-How they are ignored, even by adherents.
PWL
On January 26, 2020 at 11:28 PM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and residents, and the
AMA really isn't the A-MA.
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to

political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people
don't seem to get that.
Andre
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Bernard Hudson < loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of physicians
and medical students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors
killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
The issue will be that a physician is not a consensus doctor if not abiding by AMA affirmation
guidelines.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus physician
and clearly harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13
medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School
Counselors Association!
Accept this approach as typical.
BH
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:44 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
That you're going against the advice of the American Medical Association and WPATH, etc.
Note: This email chain had Kara Dansky and Greg Scott, please remove them if you respond.
James

On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:39:39 PM EST, Fred Deutsch < fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

Brainstorming idea for objections to bill. Others that you think I should prepare for in addition claims that:

Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
Interferes with doctor-patient relationship
Interferes with parental rights

Parents must give consent – therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor
PB are reversable
Bill is unconstitutional

Patrick W. Lappert, MD
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