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"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"

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Subject: Re: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoin
Is this it, Quentin?
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/137/4/e20154366.full.pdf

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:05:43 PM EST, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:

It will take some digging because it was in a "throwaway" publication like Pediatric News.
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 4:40 PM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a link for that, please?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 4:32 PM QUENTIN VAN METER < kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:

Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism
because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early
stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 2:23 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex
offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:19 PM, Natasha Chart
< natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that
children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end
goal of treatment.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a disease. They are
part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette
Vernadette R. Broyles, Esq.
President and General Counsel
5805 State Bridge Rd., Suite G310
Johns Creek, GA 30097
770.448.4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org
www.childparentrights.org

On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person
who needs to be sterilized as children.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 12:57 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I
(Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re: involuntary sterilization would be key
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing
to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of
children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child
to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where
there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
When would you need this?

Vernadette
Vernadette R. Broyles, Esq.
President and General Counsel
5805 State Bridge Rd., Suite G310
Johns Creek, GA 30097
770.448.4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org
www.childparentrights.org

On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Very well stated Mary.
On a different note, I have this new thread dispelling the "wrong puberty" argument.
https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD/status/1217698028858986497
-Mike

On 2020-01-16 07:08, Mary McAlister wrote:
Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization
of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot
give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does
not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be
sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU
and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their
equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being
treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will
ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical
experiments as do other children.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com>
wrote:
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM < drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad
nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is
the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact
and principle.
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On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Kelsey
Coalition < kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
wrote:
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a
child to a life-altering medical experiment
with unknown long-term consequences.
Without this ban in place, SD will follow what
is already happening in other states: minors
who successfully sue in court to obtain this
supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention.
And when they grow up with irreversible
regret, who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to prevent custody
battles. We have several parents who have
reached out to the KC because of a former
spouse who is intent on medicalizing their
child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as
difficult as finding a therapist. And even
when they do, who knows how a judge will
rule? Banning these procedures will take
these serious medical decisions away from
misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically
necessary intervention is the big
unchallenged domino that is driving both the
legal and medical scandal. This is an oftrepeated claim with no support and it must
be confronted directly.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM Natasha
Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
The ACLU have done as much as
anyone could to make sure it's
impossible to define a class of
persons under these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM
< drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Look at the medical
claim in that "legal"
ACLU quote; it is
false on multiple
grounds
"no such thing as a
medically diagnosable
group of trans
anybody; we are
talking about minors!
blockers, wrong sex
hormones and
surgical mutilation
are never medically
necessary in minors!"
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