From:
QUENTIN VAN METER

Sent:
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To:
"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>

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Subject: Re: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoin
Yes- this is the article she authored and it was published about the same time she was interviewed in Pediatric News touting GnRH agonist therapy as an accepted practice for trans kids
who have just entered puberty. Thanks for digging around.
Quentin

On January 21, 2020 at 5:16 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is this it, Quentin?
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/137/4/e20154366.full.pdf

On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:05:43 PM EST, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:

It will take some digging because it was in a "throwaway" publication like Pediatric News.
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 4:40 PM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a link for that, please?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 4:32 PM QUENTIN VAN METER < kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:

Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe
autism because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans
kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 2:23 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being
used on sex offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:19 PM, Natasha Chart
< natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:

Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no
directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that
considered a humane end goal of treatment.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a
disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette
Vernadette R. Broyles, Esq.
President and General Counsel
5805 State Bridge Rd., Suite G310
Johns Creek, GA 30097
770.448.4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org
www.childparentrights.org

On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable
class of person who needs to be sterilized as children.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 12:57 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard
Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky
(former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU
is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children,
but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is
no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no disease
to be treated — that is child abuse.
When would you need this?

Vernadette
Vernadette R. Broyles, Esq.
President and General Counsel
5805 State Bridge Rd., Suite G310
Johns Creek, GA 30097
770.448.4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org
www.childparentrights.org

On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Very well stated Mary.
On a different note, I have this new thread dispelling the "wrong puberty"
argument.
https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD/status/1217698028858986497
-Mike

On 2020-01-16 07:08, Mary McAlister wrote:
Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary
sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically
consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the
knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The
Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults
cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court
order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary
sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are
without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from
other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that
"transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical
experiments as do other children.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart <
natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM <
drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and
repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question
or accusation. That is the bottom line here.
We must be bull dogs on this fact and
principle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM,
Kelsey Coalition <
kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
wrote:
No doctor or parent has a right
to subject a child to a lifealtering medical experiment with
unknown long-term
consequences. Without this ban
in place, SD will follow what is
already happening in other
states: minors who successfully
sue in court to obtain this
supposedly "life-saving" medical
intervention. And when they

grow up with irreversible regret,
who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to
prevent custody battles. We
have several parents who have
reached out to the KC because
of a former spouse who is intent
on medicalizing their child.
Finding an attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as finding a
therapist. And even when they
do, who knows how a judge will
rule? Banning these procedures
will take these serious medical
decisions away from misinformed
judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving
medically necessary intervention
is the big unchallenged domino
that is driving both the legal and
medical scandal. This is an oftrepeated claim with no support
and it must be confronted
directly.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47
PM Natasha Chart <
natasha.chart@gmail.com>
wrote:
The ACLU have done
as much as anyone
could to make sure
it's impossible to
define a class of
persons under these
laws.
On Wed, Jan 15,
2020, 5:22 PM <
drmcretella@gmail.co
m> wrote:
Mike,
Look at
the
medical
claim in
that
"legal"
ACLU
quote; it
is false
on
multiple
grounds
"no such

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ble group
of trans
anybody;
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talking
about
minors!
blockers,
wrong
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hormones
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surgical
mutilatio
n are
never
medically
necessar
y in
minors!"
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