From: Andre Van Mol Sent: 1/19/2020 2:52:29 PM To: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> Subject: Re: Trans Global Alliance Jamie, I and Michael Laidlaw spent an entire day in Sacramento with Jackie/Rene and had several/many e-mail exchanges with him. He testified that day along with Michael (admittedly, I was there in case something dropped and I needed to fill in). Also, he was shopping for prices on detransing surgeries, waiting on Medicare to kick in, and seemed to be considering the timing to detrans. He’s got rough edges O plenty and admits it. He mostly lives in Viet Nam these days, which is no place to engage elective surgeries. Yes, he’ surely a work in progress. I don’t know Scott — though I suspect diagnostic items about Scott — so I cannot compare them. I think the elitism and emotional lability of the way trans activists reflects narcissism, narcissistic wounding, emotional immaturity, adverse childhood events, and so forth. All here know the studies showing enormous rates of personality disorders, most likely narcissistic, and Zucker and Blanchard don’t seem shy about saying that either. But, we can’t fix personality disorders for someone else. I’m reading in Proverbs these days and there are repeated verses about holding one’s tongue, not engaging the foolish, and so forth, so for this SD battle and likely the one’s in Texas and Georgia, I’ll be focusing on holding my tongue while simply maintaining certain lines without dismissing people. Narcissists who don’t get their way but are not dismissed outright have a tendency of moving on when they see they simply won’t get to be the prima donna of the opera. Andre On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:18 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: Michelle, I, in turn, apologize for probably coming off as heavy-handed in this discussion but I've done so because I believe it's vital we recognize a big problem and work to alleviate it before it sinks the ship. The ACLU is literally loading the printers and scouting for frontmen attorneys in these states as we speak. Rene Jax is another Scott. Watch this clip at the time mark I'm posting it at. https://youtu.be/-pxxBQm114k?t=1241 Just like Scott, Jax isn't willing like Walt Heyer to reclaim his birth sex: a sign of a true ally. Instead Jax claims to be the "real deal" that I warned about when calling out Scott. These folks have an elitist mentality among transsexuals. Everyone else isn't legit for some reason or other, but they are the "true transsexuals" that benefit from transition because they really are the opposite sex. James On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 03:15:15 PM EST, drmcretella@gmail.com <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: James, I now follow your full reasoning & have to sincerely respect that. Thx for patiently spelling it all out to me. Sincerely, Michelle Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2020, at 2:59 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: I'm quoting Scott here: "But, if we turn it around after we shut it down and talk to the ADULT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, like me and say," "Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and decide to put themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives. Here's how this should be addressed. Even if you can somehow justify the "trans" medical treatments for consenting adults, it's medical malpractice to indulge the delusion that the person has a gender identity and "affirm" that false identity in your words and actions. I wrested with: Do I want to say it behind Scott's back or in her face?" Am I correct that Scott is an FTM? And I decided if I wasn't willing to say it in Scott's face, I shouldn't say it at all. Scott can be dropped with a simple explanation that endorsing Scott's gender ideology has negative effects on females, example sports, etc. Again, the ACLU and the AMA are gonna testify that building Scott at a young age is better and healthier, spares the surgeries and produces a better cosmetic product. James On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 02:51:43 PM EST, <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: I Understand what you are both saying; you are right. BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of entire team when the bill is to be defended in committee Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with Fred alone. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote: > > Fred and Michelle, I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and it’s best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal. As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law. Andre Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:18 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: > > The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and surgeries in the process. Am I understanding that correctly? > > How's it sound like that? > > Cut your losses now, is my advice. > > James > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 1:56 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com >> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear James & Andre >> >> (Scott Newgent is founder of Trans Global Alliance and is on SD team). >> >> I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:38 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe so but that change everything problematic that I just correctly pointed out. >>> >>> Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this is medically necessary under the guise of gender. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 1:33 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com >>>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James, >>>> FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of Fred’s key witnesses... >>>> MC >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:24 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Cretella, >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to respectfully disagree with that, and I'll explain why. >>>>> >>>>> I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored them. >>>>> >>>>> There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body. >>>>> >>>>> So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact. >>>>> >>>>> Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you can still turn back. >>>>> >>>>> So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons. >>>>> >>>>> Or contribute to the Blaire White types profiteering from this type of behavior. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com >>>>>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott is right. Having more trans adults come forward would be a game changer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And my twitter was shut down and my website was hacked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we are saving. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to kids and I was appalled. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So the ACLU is giving out your home phone number, Fred? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> “The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislator’s home and office numbers." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-criminalizing-underage-gender-treatments/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 08:55:11 AM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatenseconomic-development/4503457002/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fred >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>