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Andre Van Mol
8/18/2019 3:38:43 PM
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Subject: Re: update

Perhaps the “the biological
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On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based
on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and
requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or
birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ...

On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:29 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
My opinion is to cover your bases in the mentioned line as well. I think that sentence is too ambiguous and should get reworded.
It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female?
I like what Andre suggested, but recommend changing natal to biological, based on court language.

On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 10:19:46 PM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and
endogenous hormone profiles.

Don’t you think that covers it? - Fred