From: Sent: To: Cc: Andre Van Mol 8/18/2019 3:38:43 PM "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com> "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> Subject: Re: update Perhaps the “the biological Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill. "Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ... On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:29 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: My opinion is to cover your bases in the mentioned line as well. I think that sentence is too ambiguous and should get reworded. It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female? I like what Andre suggested, but recommend changing natal to biological, based on court language. On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 10:19:46 PM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote: Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles. Don’t you think that covers it? - Fred