From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:41 PM To: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> Subject: Re: update Perhaps the “the biological state…†quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing. Andre Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote: IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill. "Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ... On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:29 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote: My opinion is to cover your bases in the mentioned line as well. I think that sentence is too ambiguous and should get reworded. It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female? I like what Andre suggested, but recommend changing natal to biological, based on court language. On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 10:19:46 PM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote: Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles. Don’t you think that covers it? - Fred