From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 8:14 PM To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net Subject: Re: update Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. It’s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering. Andre On Aug 18, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote: The key to the entire bill is the language “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex,†with sex defined as “the biological state of being female or male.†We have to be able to explain the application. So let’s say we have a teenage girl: 1. She perceives she is a boy. a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a boy. b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (I’m not sure this is applicable. Thoughts?) 2. She perceives she is a girl. a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable). b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable). Please let me know what you think - Fred